With this subjective internal stuff, there's the experience and the interpretation. People come up with all sorts of interpretations and sometimes they are helpful and sometimes they aren't
I guess one doubt i have about them being tulpas is like
1. Eishi was 'made' within seconds, and all i did was say "hello"
2. Momo was the same except they felt present before we started talking
3. James started talking to me and kept talking even when i ignored him, and then started talking back when i responded
I thought, from other people here, that creating tulpas took a lot of effort(edited)
i am also sure that everyone can have an experience like you, which is something i use when i help people have a tulpa in provate in less than 20minutes
10:45 PM
what i do is basically is convincing them that what they would experience is basically, well, what you experienced
Also, sometimes it doesn't matter what happened in the past... you can ask yourself, what is happening now? What do I want to happen? And take steps towards the state you want for yourself
and that is all that a person needs to have a tulpa in my opinion
Yuka
Also, sometimes it doesn't matter what happened in the past... you can ask yourself, what is happening now? What do I want to happen? And take steps towards the state you want for yourself
Well, what is happening now is that i still dissociate, and sometimes get involuntary switches and james saying bad things
What i want to happen is get a therapist, just in general
Is it a good idea to ask to be evaluated for osdd still? Because if it turns out i don't have it, i simply won't be diagnosed with it, right? But if i get evaluated just in case, it may open up treatment options for if i do have it
therapist will help you see what triggers your dissociation and develop healthier coping mechanisms than dissociation, and it doesn’t matter what’s the diagnosis
Is it a good idea to ask to be evaluated for osdd still? Because if it turns out i don't have it, i simply won't be diagnosed with it, right? But if i get evaluated just in case, it may open up treatment options for if i do have it
@Kei Wendt - jump
well you could start a therapy and ask the therapist that question
10:50 PM
they would probably help you explore why you want to have the diagnosis and if you actually need it for treatment
10:51 PM
assessment therapies are free (everywhere as far as i know)
If you want
James is a lot less nasty than he was like a month or two ago but he still occasionally pops in with a little "you deserve this" or something similar, especially when i'm having high emotions
Talking to him seems to have helped, i was able to somewhat convince him that he deserves to be happy (his guilt seems to be the root of things)
As for involuntary switching, sometimes when i'm really angry, momo will come in and start defending me and being aggressive
I have a similar bad habit--it's been a lot of work to retrain it
11:25 PM
the thing that helped me the most was really realizing that the self-criticism lobbed my way by my internal critic was not helpful, and did not contribute to actually fixing anything it was angry at
So like, understand that you have inherent worth, and it's not true that you deserve bad things to happen to you. This is a subject in its own that I may not be able to walk you through, but I think it starts with self acceptance
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11:27 PM
When you start to accept yourself more, comments like "you deserve this" will start to feel out of place, and that in itself might start to reduce how often it comes up
11:29 PM
But also, when the thoughts do come up, try to notice them, be mindful about it. Understand that they are misplaced, just a bad habit, you do deserve good things etc. Since these thoughts are being owned by James, work with him. I'd suggest taking time with him and be kind to each other
If you build a positive relationship, then he'll also have no reason to say mean things to you. Then if the thoughts still come up, you can really look at it and go "this is just an intrusive thought, no one here actually thinks these things and means it"
We have a positive relationship now but he still struggles with thinking that he and i have done bad things
He doesn't mean it, but he tends to say it when we're worked up
re:involuntary switching
I'm sure there are a lot of different options here but the one I can think of, is to talk with Momo and establish a protocol of sorts to react in a healthier way in these situations. Momo could take a step back from the situation and provide you support personally, for example, instead of being aggressive to others. Then when things have calmed down (taking a break from whatever caused the anger helps) they can hand control back to you.
Its hell. If i have even 1 person or 1 thing i have to pay attebtion too i xant eveb focus on k. Sometimes they can ride co thou- jusy chill while ee do shit but not in iw
It’s like having two consoles and only having one controller, you’re only able to be connected to one console at once, when I leave wonderland to focus on something else it’s like the controller got disconnected on the wonderland console
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1:29 AM
And you have to have SOMEBODY on the other side controlling the other one.
1:30 AM
Tbh immersion and ppl controlling each other could prove neuron related activity with this processing and how newer beings like new tulpas can't just do this thing either with you.
I'm not a tulpa if you believe I am one or things like that.
You could say I am a natural plural scenario(?)
I am not sure but I can be?
1:40 AM
I don't have "past lore" before I actually did anything because to me it doesn't feel natural or like real or a lie.
I don't like fabrication of things that didn't happen in the past.
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ ↩️
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1:41 AM
Honestly I don't think new tulpas should even try this "parallel processing" and front when the host or so is trying out immersion.
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Tbh I feel very very very uncomfortable when I helped somebody with making a tulpa and help them with ideas and they suddenly claim a week later omg she was born in 2007 and that stuff and suddenly everybody's memories are fabricated that they existed for years or most people's in that a system I know of.
Khaos ↩️
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1:51 AM
Does anybody see this type of behavior within their system?
I guess i could count as having that since james claims one of our memories and momo claims some others and eishi claims to be around in childhood
Idk where it came from tbh but i guess it's as kitkat said, which is where i dissociated and then they just took the memories that i didn't associate with myself
I sorta just ignore it atp... i guess it doesn't matter if they existed before or not and if they did it's not like it makes any difference to how things are now
Hm, well we’ve never had an issue hearing kitt but if it’s a volume issue you could consider meditating maybe? Learning to quiet your own inner thoughts might make it easier for them to speak up and be heard
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should i pick it back up?
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